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Not ENOUGH beer perhaps Dan?
I was training hard for this and can NOT wait to see the results/report. Good luck to all!!
Hard work is good. Thanks for the great story!!
Guilty as charged. A picture of Bill Pearl and a picture of Tom Platz and I was hooked. I will say the muscle control from bodybuilding has helped immeasurably in training for strength. I spent considerable time learning the actions of the joints of the body and what specific muscles controlled those joints. Fred Hatfield’s writings pushed me towards symmetry in my training approach ie. Standing Press followed by Pullups. Jeff Everson was the Editor in Chief @ Muscle & Fitness at the time. I was strongly influenced by the fact he was a top Olympic Lifter, Powerlifter and Amateur Bodybuilder. Fred also competed in Olympic Lifting and Bodybuilding in addition to being a pioneer in Powerlifting. Platz, aside from looking like he was from another planet, also had a good career in Olympic Lifting and Powerlifting before becoming a Hall Of Famer Bodybuilder. Platz made Suqatting look cool!! Lest we forget Bill Pearl was incredibly strong, breaking chains and tearing license plates in exhibitions. He won his last Mr. Universe in his 40s!!! Weighed over 240lbs!!
Recently, I had to correct a ‘lazy calf’ muscle that was a result of an old injury and bad habits. Due to muscle control I learned through Bodybuilding, I was able to bring the calf muscle back ‘online’ in a week’s worth of focus. Which leads me into your comment about specific Hamstring training for Deadlifts. I think a Bodybuilding program for the Hams to build better muscle control would be beneficial. I would say more Hack Squat training would make you lockout your Deadlifts faster. A faster lockout would PROBABLY be less stress full on the Hamstrings. I suppose you could also Deadlift for a bit with plates under the front of the feet. It would be deficit training for the Hams. Now you’ll be forced over the bar a bit more and have to engage the Hams more consciously. You don’t have to go hog wild on this exercise. Just use it to build some awareness and strength in this increased ROM on the Hams.[b]Quote from dwagman on August 2, 2013, 16:46[/b]
Yeah, Jim, that would be a way to do both knee flexion and hip extension. But there are two issues that I would like to point out.The first is that some years back, not too long after Louie Simmons “invented” the reverse hyper exercise, a well-respected Canadian exercise physiologist and biomechanist and a team of his colleagues decided to research what goes on in the spine when you do a reverse back extension. They used all sorts of sophisticated and cool equipment and learned that the way the forces are applied to the joints due to the movement mechanics, the shearing forces on the spinal joints (translation: grinding) were immensely high when compared to “normal” hip extension. When shearing forces increase to that extent, it invites injury, or at the very minimum increases the risk of injury quite a bit. What’s scary about that, is that you won’t do a reverse hyper and get injured immediately. You might actually feel pretty good afterwards. However, you’re likely to cause microinjury that’s asymptomatic. Then, one day, you do a Steinborn and one of your vertebra end up flying against the wall across your Dungeon. And you naturally think that you hurt yourself doing the Steinborn, when in fact the Steinborn was simply the final straw that broke big Jim’s back.
The second consideration is that if you first do a leg curl, then end up doing a hip extension, you’ve severely decreased the lever arm. This means that on one hand, you’re likely reducing the shearing forces on your lower back rather drastically. But on the other hand, in doing so, how much “training” are your muscles (hip extensors) getting out of that? Not much which would lead me to question the utility of doing so.
I’d be interested in you sharing your thoughts on the above. I gotta go and train chins, 1-armed chins, db rows, and a whole host of grip work. It’s the way I end my training wk. Maybe one of these days I’ll be able to clean and press a 45 by the hub. MAN-O-MAN…
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Dan, I don’t think the Reverse Hyper should be anything more than a pumping exercise for say 10+ reps. Same goes for my Leg Curl/Hip Extension or Front Raises or Flyes or anything you’re naturally built to be weak. Its always bemused me that the shortened/contracted position of a muscle is usually the weakest position. On the other hand, the lengthened/stretch position tends to be the strongest position for a muscle. If you want to use a Reverse Hyper of Flyes for fascia stretching and/or pumping in a slow controlled manner, I think you’ll be OK. These are not exercises used to lift a ton of weight. I’m a big believer that Origins of muscles usually should be the anchor and the Insertion should be the end that moves.
We are built to deal with gravity. Handstand presses are cool and impressive but heavy overhead raising of weight should be done standing. Conversely, hanging upside down to pull a bar to the chest is OK but again feet towards the ground Pullups are probably how we’re supposed to work.
I spent many years figuring out the strength of body positions. Some stuff is OK to go heavy such as Squats while others are not such as the Kelley Snatch. Some of my lifting is to become faster,some is to become stronger and some is to become more flexible. Use your head and your weights and you should turn out just fine.Ya know Dan, we were talking about that same thing today during throwing practice. Here we are chucking a 56lb stone. The one at the meet may look nothing like it and be easier or harder to hold. As a strength athlete you should be able to say,”So what!! EVERYONE has to throw the same damned stone so, let’s get after it!!” It is too easy to set up a psychological block because you’re not going to use the ‘right’ implement or the one you are used to using. The only thing you should worry about is how good you’re going to look as you treat that stone like its been your pillow for the past month!
Ben, I can’t believe I got you to define Phallus. If I DID think that it was a Log would that be a Phallusy?Ben, is phallus a type of log?
Dan, I used to do Leg Curls off a high table. The entire thigh would be ‘free’ of the table and hanging down, similar to the Reverse Hyper set up. I would curl the dumbbell then proceed to push the dumbbell towards the ceiling(hip extension). I enjoyed the high amount of tension at the top. I spent ALOT of time coming up with Hamstring exercises over the years.
Thanks Ben,
Fortunately(?), I can dislocate my thumbs as needed, so for me its not much of an issue!!I forget the organization’s name. I THINK it was World Elite Olympic Power. Does that sound right?? Anyways, I love the idea of this meet. I especially like that you’re doing it with a Fulton Bar. I am going to try to figure out a way to get to this meet.
I believe its called a ‘Polycolum’. They are sold in(if memory serves) in 7’&8′ lengths in diameters of 3.5″ and 4″ at Home Depot,Lowes,etc. They are concrete filled metal pipe. A buddy of mine had a bunch cut for a project. Unfortunately, they were all cut too short. Gave me one to play with. It is just under 5′ long @ 59 3/8″ and weighs 61 lbs.
My favorite 3.5″ Bar exercise is Walking Overhead Tricep Extensions. Start with the hands at the end of the column, one hand below the other. At the top of each rep, move the top hand to below the bottom hand. Do another extension and at the top,again move top hand to below the bottom. Keep ‘walking’ the hands and see how far you can get down the column. Though the bar weighs the same, each rep as you move your hand down, gets harder. The column gets moved up and becomes harder to control. With each rep, you have more mass above the hands. It becomes quite hard to control. For some REAL FUN, once you’ve bottomed out, walk your hands back up in the reverse order.I’ve thought about using a just too small bicycle tire for this problem. Figured I’d have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Squeeze the plate in the tire hoping for a SNUG fit and pray for the best!!
since the Reverse Curl follows the Rectangular Fix guidelines then it may make sense to call the lift in question:”American Fix”? Here we ‘fix’ the weight at the top. That seems to be the only difference.
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