[dwagman]

Hey Lance, who cares about the silly crap on T-nation? Just conjecture and hype with no factual foundation.

But more importantly, how did Dave get credit for the Jefferson…aren’t you supposed to be in control of the bar? He clearly just dropped it on his 2nd and 3rd attempts.

-d

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[dwagman]

The only finger feat I can do is 2-finger pull-up with my bodyweight. I could do a chin with 50 lb x 1 rep but using a V-bar. However I cannot even move my body off the ground trying a 1-arm chin or 1 finger. Thus I have a great appreciation for your feats of strength but most importantly because of your adherence to maintaining strict form and technique.

Hey RJ, didn’t you recently break the USAWA pullup record at one of Al’s RB’s?! Don’t sell yourself short.

-d

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[dwagman]

Timo, that’s cool that you know about Wolfgang. Yeah, WAAAAY ahead of his time and his finger and chin strength blows the mind, even today. I met him once in a climbing store in town that one of his buddy’s owned. The saddest thing is that I didn’t even know who he was at the time. My climbing/chinup friend filled me in.

Going a bit off lifting topic, you might be interested to know that one of Wolfgang’s best buddies was Kurt Albert, who grew up in the same town I did. Kurt, unfortunately, is dead, too. He did a tough climb in the area where I grew up and used to climb with my buddy. He got done with the climb and sat down on top of the wall, blacked out, and fell to his death (well, he didn’t die on the spot). At any rate, there’s an old picture of Wolfgang and Kurt doing a one-armed chin together on a chinup bar, facing each other, just hanging there, and smiling. AWESOME!

Just before Kurt died he did a documentary movie. Actually, his death occurred half-way through the movie and they had to complete it without him. That movie came out this year and is called Jäger des Augenblicks. Not sure how good your German is, but if you’re into climbing I recommend you watch it. These guys are on a different level when it comes to finger strength and pullups.

I’m going to send my climbing friend an e-mail now and ask him if he would be able to scan that picture of Wolfgang hanging there with 150 kg. If he can do it and if I get that image, I’ll let you know and share it with you.

Man, now I’m all pumped talking about this stuff…kinda like a teenager who gets a hard-on for no apparent reason…I’ve gotta go and chin now…YEAH!

-Dan

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[dwagman]

Timo, thanks for the motivation!

Because of you, I started doing my one-armed chins by adding weight again. I sort of slacked off on that over the years. Nothing tears me up more than one-armed chins. I have to pay especially close attention to proper training variable manipulations on that one.

So I also started doing finger pull-ups on my finger board; you may recall me talking about that board in one of my blog posts. Anyway, I’m up to adding 40 kg around my waist while chinning with only the first link of my fingers. I’m stoked and can’t wait to see where I’ll hit my limit.

In that same finger board write-up I mentioned my German friend who turned me on to pullups (and rock climbing). He was good friends with Wolfgang Guellich, one of the best climbers ever, who unfortunately died in a car accident. Anyway, Guellich wrote a climbing book in which he also talked about his training. As I recall, there’s a picture in there with him in an exercise physiology lab, hanging off a chin-up bar with only the first link of his middle fingers and 150 kg hanging around his waist. How’s that for motivation?! Of course now I also have deep respect for him seeking out scientists to improve his skills…back then I didn’t even realize there was such a field of study, nor to what extent it can turn you into a strength beast.

Dan

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[dwagman]

YEAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!

Man, the insanity in my Dungeon was—IN-F$#*^%G-SANE today. After I got done with my benching and concluded this new training approach, I was sooooooo CRAAAAAANKED! my training partner Gram (not pronounced like the unit of weight and meaning wrath in medieval German), my barbaric Bavarian Shepard, picked up on my energy and started running circles around my Rover (I train in my garage) and chasing his tail. (Hey Pringle, doesn’t that sound like you when we let it RIP in Lawrence?! YEAH!).

Well, I put on another unbelievable 30 pounds in my bench press on top of what I had already gained. So that’s a total of 55 pounds in 3 wks. Not only that, but I did that AFTER completing my feet in the air benches. And as if that isn’t enough, I could’ve actually done a double with that weight. But I was so fired up, I just threw the bar back in the rack after my attempt.

This is so friggin’ AWESOME! I’m pumped beyond belief. At some level I feel as though I earned myself a beer. Then again, since that would increase my testosterone levels after training, and that would not be a good thing, I better not. (Yup, I know that’s completely contrary to what people think they know about alcohol and testosterone, but they got around to researching this in athletes and a different picture emerged. And yes, Al, this is another shameless “infomercial” for our January issue.) So I guess I better just stick to fat, protein, and carbs.

-d

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[dwagman]

Timo, I wish I’ve had your hook grip experience. For me, the pain is the main issue. I don’t think my hook is limited by strength, but by the pain I experience. But I’m getting used to that…I suppose.

There are to things I’d like to caution you agains. First, you mentioned range of motion (ROM) in an earlier post. Many lifters believe that whenever you can reduce the ROM, that means you’ll be able to lift more. That is simply not true because when it comes to lifting, you have to consider biomechanics, anthropometrics (individual body dimensions, proportions, etc.), the muscles involved, the type of exercise, etc. It’s far too simplistic to think that just because you move the bar a lesser distance with a certain technique, that this automatically will translate into more weight lifted.

The second thing I would like to caution you against, is believing that related lifts will show related gains because the lifting is similar. The exercise science law of specificity is very strong and meaningful. It basically means that if you think you can do barbell strict curls and db concentration curls, then stop training the cc’s but they’ll remain strong because you’re continuing to do bb curls, you’re very, very wrong. Similarly, the 1-armed dl and dl are not similar enough for you to think there will be much of a relationship between them in terms of pulling prowess, training gains, etc. The reasons for this is complex and related to mechanical stresses placed upon the neuromuscular system that are just dissimilar enough to make a big difference between even related exercises.

So, after having said that, and after having watched your video again, my recommendation would be that you stick to this technique and that you focus on properly manipulating your training variables over time so that you can maximize your body’s training gains while not exhausting its recuperative abilities.

Oh, and one more point. In USAWA you only have to lift the barbell to a position above the knees for the 1-armed dl. If that’s the same thing in IAWA, then you don’t have to lift the weight to complete lockout, which might be helpful to you. Personally, I don’t care about that and feel as though I’m cheating if I don’t lock it out.

Now, if you don’t mind, I’d like to stray off topic a bit. I need to tell you that I’m HIGHLY impressed with your lifting, your technique, and your approach. Overall, my experience has been that Europeans don’t seek shortcuts in their lifting like Americans do. Kirk Karwoski and I competed together at IPF worlds and my first worlds was also his. So the day before our lifting, we hung out and watched the meet. We just looked at each other with utter disbelief about how deep all of the Europeans squatted. It was incredibly impressive. American powerlifters always seemed to have this mind-set of squatting as high as possible while having it still be legal. The Europeans, however, would friggin’ BURY their squats leaving no doubt about the legality of their depth. Man, that left an impression on me and Kirk both that we incorporated into our competitions, too.

Anyway, you very much remind me of that experience and I’m just so impressed by your detail to technique. KEEP IT UP, TIMO!

-d

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[dwagman]

Timo, I wish I’ve had your hook grip experience. For me, the pain is the main issue. I don’t think my hook is limited by strength, but by the pain I experience. But I’m getting used to that…I suppose.

There are to things I’d like to caution you agains. First, you mentioned range of motion (ROM) in an earlier post. Many lifters believe that whenever you can reduce the ROM, that means you’ll be able to lift more. That is simply not true because when it comes to lifting, you have to consider biomechanics, anthropometrics (individual body dimensions, proportions, etc.), the muscles involved, the type of exercise, etc. It’s far too simplistic to think that just because you move the bar a lesser distance with a certain technique, that this automatically will translate into more weight lifted.

The second thing I would like to caution you against, is believing that related lifts will show related gains because the lifting is similar. The exercise science law of specificity is very strong and meaningful. It basically means that if you think you can do barbell strict curls and db concentration curls, then stop training the cc’s but they’ll remain strong because you’re continuing to do bb curls, you’re very, very wrong. Similarly, the 1-armed dl and dl are not similar enough for you to think there will be much of a relationship between them in terms of pulling prowess, training gains, etc. The reasons for this is complex and related to mechanical stresses placed upon the neuromuscular system that are just dissimilar enough to make a big difference between even related exercises.

So, after having said that, and after having watched your video again, my recommendation would be that you stick to this technique and that you focus on properly manipulating your training variables over time so that you can maximize your body’s training gains while not exhausting its recuperative abilities.

Oh, and one more point. In USAWA you only have to lift the barbell to a position above the knees for the 1-armed dl. If that’s the same thing in IAWA, then you don’t have to lift the weight to complete lockout, which might be helpful to you. Personally, I don’t care about that and feel as though I’m cheating if I don’t lock it out.

Now, if you don’t mind, I’d like to stray off topic a bit. I need to tell you that I’m HIGHLY impressed with your lifting, your technique, and your approach. Overall, my experience has been that Europeans don’t seek shortcuts in their lifting like Americans do. Kirk Karwoski and I competed together at IPF worlds and my first worlds was also his. So the day before our lifting, we hung out and watched the meet. We just looked at each other with utter disbelief about how deep all of the Europeans squatted. It was incredibly impressive. American powerlifters always seemed to have this mind-set of squatting as high as possible while having it still be legal. The Europeans, however, would friggin’ BURY their squats leaving no doubt about the legality of their depth. Man, that left an impression on me and Kirk both that we incorporated into our competitions, too.

Anyway, you very much remind me of that experience and I’m just so impressed by your detail to technique. KEEP IT UP, TIMO!

-d

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Dan

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compass and never has any certainty to where he is going.
Leonardo Da Vinci; 1452-1519

[dwagman]

Timo, I wish I’ve had your hook grip experience. For me, the pain is the main issue. I don’t think my hook is limited by strength, but by the pain I experience. But I’m getting used to that…I suppose.

There are to things I’d like to caution you agains. First, you mentioned range of motion (ROM) in an earlier post. Many lifters believe that whenever you can reduce the ROM, that means you’ll be able to lift more. That is simply not true because when it comes to lifting, you have to consider biomechanics, anthropometrics (individual body dimensions, proportions, etc.), the muscles involved, the type of exercise, etc. It’s far too simplistic to think that just because you move the bar a lesser distance with a certain technique, that this automatically will translate into more weight lifted.

The second thing I would like to caution you against, is believing that related lifts will show related gains because the lifting is similar. The exercise science law of specificity is very strong and meaningful. It basically means that if you think you can do barbell strict curls and db concentration curls, then stop training the cc’s but they’ll remain strong because you’re continuing to do bb curls, you’re very, very wrong. Similarly, the 1-armed dl and dl are not similar enough for you to think there will be much of a relationship between them in terms of pulling prowess, training gains, etc. The reasons for this is complex and related to mechanical stresses placed upon the neuromuscular system that are just dissimilar enough to make a big difference between even related exercises.

So, after having said that, and after having watched your video again, my recommendation would be that you stick to this technique and that you focus on properly manipulating your training variables over time so that you can maximize your body’s training gains while not exhausting its recuperative abilities.

Oh, and one more point. In USAWA you only have to lift the barbell to a position above the knees for the 1-armed dl. If that’s the same thing in IAWA, then you don’t have to lift the weight to complete lockout, which might be helpful to you. Personally, I don’t care about that and feel as though I’m cheating if I don’t lock it out.

Now, if you don’t mind, I’d like to stray off topic a bit. I need to tell you that I’m HIGHLY impressed with your lifting, your technique, and your approach. Overall, my experience has been that Europeans don’t seek shortcuts in their lifting like Americans do. Kirk Karwoski and I competed together at IPF worlds and my first worlds was also his. So the day before our lifting, we hung out and watched the meet. We just looked at each other with utter disbelief about how deep all of the Europeans squatted. It was incredibly impressive. American powerlifters always seemed to have this mind-set of squatting as high as possible while having it still be legal. The Europeans, however, would friggin’ BURY their squats leaving no doubt about the legality of their depth. Man, that left an impression on me and Kirk both that we incorporated into our competitions, too.

Anyway, you very much remind me of that experience and I’m just so impressed by your detail to technique. KEEP IT UP, TIMO!

-d

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Dan

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[dwagman]

[b]Quote from 61pwcc on November 27, 2013, 18:24[/b]
Sounds like 1970’s Rest-Pause training and Jeff Magruder’s over reaching followed by rebounding Bench routine he used in the 1980’s.

Naaa, Jim, it’s nothing like that old and outdated approach. Rest-Pause is a recipe for disaster via overtraining and increased injury risk and holds no scientific support whatsoever…at least not the way it used to and still is applied by some lifters today. Besides, in the overtraining continuum, it’s important to distinguish between functional overreaching and non-functional overreaching, something we knew nothing about in the ’80’s.

By the way, Jeff and I competed in the first APF World Bench Press Championships together, a by-invitation-only competition. Super nice guy. He held promise, but his injuries knocked him out of the game. Of course I don’t know to what extent he incorporated Rest-Pause, but it could be an explanation for all the injuries he’s had.

So I benched again on Wed. and it seems that now it really kicked in. For the rep-volume I selected with the chosen training load, it took me 6 sets to complete all of my reps thus far, with the exception of Monday where it took me 5 sets. However, on Wed. I was able to complete that rep-count with the same load in just 3 sets. WOW!

Benching again today (Fri.)…can’t wait!

-d

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[dwagman]

what i was seeing on the video i have quite narrow leg position and long range, but somehow wider leg position feels weaker even with shorter range. Don’t know is wider position ultimate way on the long term or should i keep going with my natural technique?

Timo, that was a great video to watch. I’ve been working on my 1-armed dl, too, and hope to go over 400 pounds as well next year. We’ll see…

I think that in order to answer your question, we should first determine what the limiting factor is in you lifting more weight. Is it holding on to the bar and the hook grip or is it the actual amount of weight you attempt to lift. The actual range of motion is less of a concern for various physiological and biomechanical reasons.

If it’s holding on to the bar, then I wouldn’t worry too much about whether your feet are wide or narrow and I’d recommend you do it the way you did in the video. But if holding on to the bar is not the limiting factor, if it’s your strength in lifting the bar off the ground, then perhaps it would be worthwhile to look at your technique. But that would have to be done by considering your specific body levers. Put another way, it would have to consider the length of your torso, arms, thighs, and legs. But before doing that, I would actually look at your training routine. That’s where most athletes mess up the most and that’s the place where you can get the most benefit from. That, therefore, would be my suggestion for a first step.

-d

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[dwagman]

what i was seeing on the video i have quite narrow leg position and long range, but somehow wider leg position feels weaker even with shorter range. Don’t know is wider position ultimate way on the long term or should i keep going with my natural technique?

Timo, that was a great video to watch. I’ve been working on my 1-armed dl, too, and hope to go over 400 pounds as well next year. We’ll see…

I think that in order to answer your question, we should first determine what the limiting factor is in you lifting more weight. Is it holding on to the bar and the hook grip or is it the actual amount of weight you attempt to lift. The actual range of motion is less of a concern for various physiological and biomechanical reasons.

If it’s holding on to the bar, then I wouldn’t worry too much about whether your feet are wide or narrow and I’d recommend you do it the way you did in the video. But if holding on to the bar is not the limiting factor, if it’s your strength in lifting the bar off the ground, then perhaps it would be worthwhile to look at your technique. But that would have to be done by considering your specific body levers. Put another way, it would have to consider the length of your torso, arms, thighs, and legs. But before doing that, I would actually look at your training routine. That’s where most athletes mess up the most and that’s the place where you can get the most benefit from. That, therefore, would be my suggestion for a first step.

-d

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Dan

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[dwagman]

what i was seeing on the video i have quite narrow leg position and long range, but somehow wider leg position feels weaker even with shorter range. Don’t know is wider position ultimate way on the long term or should i keep going with my natural technique?

Timo, that was a great video to watch. I’ve been working on my 1-armed dl, too, and hope to go over 400 pounds as well next year. We’ll see…

I think that in order to answer your question, we should first determine what the limiting factor is in you lifting more weight. Is it holding on to the bar and the hook grip or is it the actual amount of weight you attempt to lift. The actual range of motion is less of a concern for various physiological and biomechanical reasons.

If it’s holding on to the bar, then I wouldn’t worry too much about whether your feet are wide or narrow and I’d recommend you do it the way you did in the video. But if holding on to the bar is not the limiting factor, if it’s your strength in lifting the bar off the ground, then perhaps it would be worthwhile to look at your technique. But that would have to be done by considering your specific body levers. Put another way, it would have to consider the length of your torso, arms, thighs, and legs. But before doing that, I would actually look at your training routine. That’s where most athletes mess up the most and that’s the place where you can get the most benefit from. That, therefore, would be my suggestion for a first step.

-d

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Dan

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[dwagman]

Guys, to be honest, this post went out for purely emotional reasons. I was so cranked after finding this new approach to work so well with my piece-of-shit bench press, I just started typing without much thought. It’s just so friggin’ awesome to me to see how time and time again applying new research just keeps my training top notch. I just get really pumped some times.

Only now that Mike and others want to know more, did I start thinking about this post. Al is correct…of course this study will be reviewed in JOPP. So look forward to the January issue for the details. But I can still share some details, with an important caveat.

First, you don’t rest between sets, you rest between pre-determined rep-counts within a set. This was investigated as part of an overall science-based muscle-growth oriented training program. This approach also entails incorporating specific durations of rest and attention to the composition of training intensity (load) and volume (sets, reps).

Yeah, I know what you’re thinking…”That’s complicated shit.” You would be correct because the human body is a complicated machine and we know a whole heck a lot more now than we did, heck, even just a year ago. So unless you think that Dr. George Barker Windship’s hip lift advice from the 1860’s is still relevant today, and you would therefore also rely on his medical advice for an illness you’re experiencing, I’d recommend you change your thinking about how to approach your training.

And that brings me to the caveat. You see, research is very, very specific. So unless you incorporate the training study’s exact approach, you cannot expect to make the same sort of improvements. Of course I wasn’t able to do that as I had to incorporate adjustments based on many different and specific training considerations…such as the point in time in my current program that I’m starting this, what my current volume and intensity is, my training frequency, density, rest periods, exercise composition, how I need to change the rest of my training approach (not just benching), etc. To be honest, it would amount to malpractice if I were to tell you precisely what I’ve been doing because there is no way it would work equally well for you unless the above considerations would be addressed.

At any rate, there are a few more details on what I’ve done so far that I can share. I started this 2 Fridays ago. Then I benched again last Monday, last Thursday, and last Friday. Then I benched this Monday and will do it two more times this wk. At that point I will have overreached, will unload for a wk, and that should optimize my supercompensation. We’ll see…I’ll let you know…

– d

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[dwagman]

In Jesse sharing his thoughts and how he approaches his decision-making about competing or not, an important issue is brought to the forefront of this discussion…why, exactly, do people not compete, why do they drop their membership, what meets are they most likely to compete in/not to compete in, etc., etc., etc.

While Denny shared his experience with advertising meets, that only applies to his area and his approach. It would be a mistake to generalize that across the board and to give up. So perhaps as a first step, an effort should be made to understand past and present members’ thoughts on competing and not competing. Then the efforts to grow the organization could be more targeted.

Unfortunately, I haven’t seen much discussed here on how to grow the Org. That saddens me because I think there is truth to, I think it was Dan(?), who said that if there’s no new people coming into the organization, it’ll just die out.

-d

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[dwagman]

Al, I very much like your historical review of the founding USAWA principles. I also like how you likened the founding fathers, principles, and Constitution of the U.S.A. to those of USAWA.

In that comparison it’s important to realize that as the Constitution of our country was ratified, there was no Bill of Rights—the first 10 Amendments. That became part of the Constitution about 2 years later. Then in 1795 the 11th Amendment to the Constitution was added and at present there are 27 Amendments, the last one ratified in 1992. Also to consider is that the Constitution allows for adding, changing, and eliminating Amendments.

The point is that the U.S. Constitution allows for change and USAWA should not only hear the concerns the membership expresses, but also embrace and adopt ideas that would allow the organization to grow. I don’t think any of us would like living in a country where there was slavery and women weren’t allowed to vote. I welcome change in USAWA that would allow it to grow. This is a great sport that deserves more attention and competitiveness.

I’m getting ready to go OTG (off the grid) to explore the mountains, canyons, and deserts of the West; my home will be my Range Rover, my companion will be my dog, my security will be provided by Mr. Colt. I don’t want anybody to interpret my silence as anything other than simply not being able to log on.

Hope you guys can hammer out some cool ideas and I’m looking forward to seeing what happens.

-d

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