[KCSTRONGMAN]

I have no problem with your training or your scientific approach. Where my problem lies is the manner in which you present it. It often comes off as very condescending. Maybe I should have just left it alone. But, fact of business is that sometimes your posts come off as offensive (you knew that or you would not say “But at the risk of offending some of you.” That is not unlike the guy prefaces an insult with “No offense, but…”)
I do know their are scientific approaches that would have been beneficial and still could be. But to pretend that a body does not deteriorate with age just does not make any sense. I aint looking forward to it, but I reckon some time I will kick the bucket. And if it is not from accident or disease, it will be because the machine simply wore out over time. There are things I can do to slow this down, but the aging process is an inevitability. That was my argument.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

I dont need a study to see what I can see with my own eyes every day. Your rhetoric does resemble a broken record, only a rather insulting one. Maybe you are just trying to argue against formulas, but it come off as Dan the Scientist is all knowing and you guys are a bunch of fools who have trained in an ignorant idiotic way. It is tired.
I dont know about chronological age, but the miles put in certainly take their toll. I wish you would have written me a science based approach to wrestle that would have prevented my opponent from twisting my knee and shreading my meniscus. Or one that would have prevented both my shoulder labrum from tearing in my last wrestling match. While better form would have prevented by back injury, I dot know if there is any science based method of walking that would have prevented me from stepping in that hole and severely spraining my ankle. Or one that would have prevented me from severely spraining it again by chasing that cow.
See, it’s not just weight lifting that takes a toll on a body. My grandpa was the toughest guy I ever knew. Strong as heck, but never trained weighlifting. Though he never participated in a scientific study in the confines of a laboratory, I could see with my own eyes his body and strength deteriorate with age. I dont think he was pulling any smoke and mirrors. Back then they did not have any science based methods of bucking hay or any of the other labor intesive activities he engaged in all his life. Maybe they do now. But I saw it, dont need a study to tell me that.
That being said, I have no idea how the formula was developed or what exactly it was based on. So, while it may or may not be mathematically correct, you are not going to convince me that the vast majority of people, weightlifters or not, do not experience a deterioration of their bodies as they age.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

I lifted with her at Clark’s once, and judged her at the nationals from the pic.Fantastic lifter!
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I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Perfect, Al.
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I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

I know for me, it is not the number of years put in, it’s the mileage. When I was still doing strongman, I felt as though I’d never lift in the masters class, as I would always be strong enough to do the open weights. As it turns out, I never lifted in the masters class in SM because my body was too broke down to keep doing the sport. Once toward the end of my career, I was told by a fellow competitor that I was 86 in strongman years. So, the experience only takes you so far, but for most of us, the body starts to break down at some point. I think that is where the formula comes in. Like I said, I will probably always be annoyed by it, but until we have enough lifters to have multiple guys competing in the same divisions, it is a way that allows us to compete against everyone else. Otherwise we all just get first place in our division, making us look like that kindergarten teacher that gentleman wrote so elegantly about in his Motorhead article.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Some great lifting this weekend. Thanks to everyone for supporting this meet. Results and write-up have been submitted for review.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Cant wait to see you guys tomorrow! Should be a great battle. Down to 10 lifters, as I tweaked my back doing the postal and will be unable to compete. While that sucks for me, cause training was going very well, it is great for you all because it means I can spend all day judging so no one will have to pull double duty as competitor and judge. Will have water all day and sandwiches or something for Lunch.
Looks like the weather might be drab and a bit rainy (though not storming) the temperature is going to cooperate at under 70 degrees all day. Safe travels and see you all in the AM.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

HE must really be old then, because the marathon was contested in Greece in the 1896 Olympics.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Formulas have always irritated me. It always felt foolish whan you were the top lifter by hundreds of pounds only to lose on formula. However, when I an meets with awards by total pounds and by formula, it cost me more money, and almost without fail, the same guys were getting the same awards, whether it was based on formula or not. That told me that usually, the best lifter was winning. Not always, but usually. And without a formula of some kind, there is no way to compare lifters across the spectrum of weight and age. So, even though they often aggravate me, and will probably continue to do so, I do not think getting rid of them would do anything for our org. It does seem that the older the lifter gets after a certain age, the further they fall down the results lists, so maybe the way the Brits do it would be a correct move. And that would get us on the same page in another area.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Leroy and I discussed that yesterday (Leroy, feel free to chime in). I have a hard time getting offended by things like this. Just like when they had “Cheap seats” episodes on WSM and Highland games. Some people got their panties in a bunch about being made fun of. Fact is, those, and we are a fringe sport. I do realize the absurdity of some of what we do. I found it funny the last time, to my knowledge, that my neck lift was in Guinness, and they just listed it among a number of circus freak show lifts like amount lifted with eyelids and such. I guess I aint above being in the freak show. But in my book, anybody that strives to be theri best self in any discipline is doing OK.
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I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Sorry-here is the link

http://www.oddlifts.com/

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Definitely rambling and fll of fluff. Definitely inaccurate at times. Say, here is the website for the other org mentioned in the article:

Funny, it was around when I got started in all-round, apparently. I had not heard about it until recently. Looks like the guy who ran it kicked it a few years back?

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Chad and Denny are in. Final tally of lifters is 11. Pretty good turnout.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

All entries due Sat (in 6 days) get them to me asap so that I can finalize awards.

I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

Ruth-you would have done well/

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