[KCSTRONGMAN]

I enjoyed Mr Wagman’s article. I do agree about having to consider the type of sleeve. The two types I have used offered no spring (such as a knee wrap), but I suppose there could be some that do.

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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Thom, I certainly hope this isnt devisive. I hope no one has taken offense to anything I have said, or has taken it as bullying. I just enjoy the discussion, and occasionally playing devil’s advocate. I like to to think about some of these things, and in turn get others to think. I dont see anything wrong with that.

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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Make no mistake about it, I would never say that a prosthesis or replaced joint is an advantage over what someone was able to do before they because disadvantaged in a fashion that made them decide to get the prosthesis or replaced joint. But it is certainly an advantage over what they were capable of at the point when their body dictated that they should go that route. Otherwise, why do it? If my knees become such at a later point that I have trouble walking around, let alone lifting, getting a new knee is an advantage over that. Anyhow, that being said, I would never say someone should be discriminated against because of a prosthetic appendage or a replaced joint. My point was that if we are taking the stance of “go with what God gave you” then, by definition, these items would be disallowable.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

The man who loves rubbers? Nasty
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Hey-
If we are thinking about takinga hard stance on going with what God gave you will it apply to prosthetics as well? What about replaced joints?
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I am thinking of branching off and starting the USAWF and everything goes: wraps, sleeves, denim bench shirts, belts, quadruple ply Squat and DL suits, drugs, 48 hour weigh ins, beanies, jeans, Cannibal Corpse songs playing on level 11 on teh stereo, coking up before attempts. I might see if the “other” british all-round faction will join us to form an international organization.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I just hope you dont throat punch anybody
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I severely herniated my back when I stopped using a belt for a period. Now, I know my form was for crap, but it was when I dropped the belt that I sustained a serious injury, one that I have to work around 7 years later. I also believe that this varies from individual to individual, so saying that they are crap in a blanket statement is crap. I dont fashion myself a pussy (and would be glad to go fist-to-cuffs with anyone who did), but I will never lift without a belt again, and will at least train in knee sleeves at times when I think they will protect my joint to continue fighting another day. Some people may lift a boat load and never need sleeve, belts, or wrist wraps to stay healthy. Some may argue against them because they have never lifted heavy and dont have to worry about it. And some may need them at times to stay healthy. So the blanket statement is innaccurate. Now, I know for the rule purpose, we have to go one way or the other. I hope either way we dont have people leaving the org over it. I know I wont.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Okay, for the sake of arguement, are neoprene shorts illegal according to our rules as long as they are not too long? HEre is how the rules read, regarding shorts:

2. The lifting uniform may be a one piece suit or it may consist of shorts and a shirt. The lifting uniform must not provide any support that would aid in lifting.

4. Lower body must be covered by a one piece suit or shorts. No sweat pants are allowed. The suit or shorts must not extend lower than the base of the quadriceps muscle. An undergarment is allowed to be worn under the suit or shorts, but must not provide any support that would aid in lifting.

So I have worn neoprene shots for a couple years, mostly in the winter out in the building for SM training. They do a great job keeping my hips and upper legs warm, and my balls sweaty, but certainly do not add a pound. So I would say they dont aid in lifting. So according to our rules, these would be allowable?
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I am going to start wearing really tight jean shorts, cut at leat 4″ above the knee to remain legal, but I bet I’ll get a pound or two out of them on squatting events, and I will look even cooler than Professor Tully with his beanie on.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I would draw it somewhere before knee wraps (LOL)
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Comparing me to Conrad Dobler??? haha and yes I’m old enough to know who he is!

I guess I am not-I had to look it up! LOL
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

Yeah, after seeing that fateful picture of the two of you,I assumed that you would both think Jefferson’s lifting trunks were “OK”
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

The argument of saying the USAWA already allows kneewraps (for front sq, 12? base sq and Anderson Sq), wrist wraps, and belts have set the precident that supportive gear is allowed now as a means of justifying MORE supportive gear does not “fly” in my book

I agree entirely. I was not bringing up kneewraps to justify bringing in more. I was trying to make a distiction between gear that supports (wristwraps, knee sleeves) and gear that aids (knee wraps, bench shirts) and that if we allow any sort of gear that aids (and we do) it seems silly not to allow something that supports. I would be in favor of replacing knee wraps with knee sleeves for just that reason. I would have been interested in hearing the selling points of bringing knee wraps in in the first place. (Not to say I dont use them, cause I do when they are allowed)

Anyway, just for the record, I am not mad at anybody, and if we choose not to allow sleeves, I will continue to lift in the USAWA.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

I definitely understand the concern of “opening Pandora’s Box” and definitely dont want the org to go to the dark side, where bench shirts and squat suits are the norm and every lifter is dirty. Like I said, the line may be fine, and we should be careful that we dont cross it.
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