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The argument of saying the USAWA already allows kneewraps (for front sq, 12? base sq and Anderson Sq), wrist wraps, and belts have set the precident that supportive gear is allowed now as a means of justifying MORE supportive gear does not “fly” in my book

I agree entirely. I was not bringing up kneewraps to justify bringing in more. I was trying to make a distiction between gear that supports (wristwraps, knee sleeves) and gear that aids (knee wraps, bench shirts) and that if we allow any sort of gear that aids (and we do) it seems silly not to allow something that supports. I would be in favor of replacing knee wraps with knee sleeves for just that reason. I would have been interested in hearing the selling points of bringing knee wraps in in the first place. (Not to say I dont use them, cause I do when they are allowed)

Anyway, just for the record, I am not mad at anybody, and if we choose not to allow sleeves, I will continue to lift in the USAWA.
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I definitely understand the concern of “opening Pandora’s Box” and definitely dont want the org to go to the dark side, where bench shirts and squat suits are the norm and every lifter is dirty. Like I said, the line may be fine, and we should be careful that we dont cross it.
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I believe there is a difference between support gear and lifting geared. And it may be a fine line that is difficult to identify. However, with the knee wraps, we have alreadycrossed the line into lifting geared, as knee wraps add poundages.

I like the idea of just pulling them off before you lift. That makes more sense in theory than practice though, in my opinion. Because according to our rules, we cannot just pull them down and wear them around uour ankles, yes? Even though that would obviously offer absolutely no aid or support, it would be against the rules. So, you would have to take them off. I cant pull mine over my showes, so I would have to take off my shoes, take off the sleeve, put the shoes back on, lift, take the shoe back off, put the sleeve back on, put the shoe back on, etc, etc, etc. It is a big enough pain in the ass leaning over once in the morning to get my shoes on once.

That being said, I am going for the doctor’s note thing. I’m sure that will be tough to get (LOL)

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I voted yes, but did so with reservation-that I completely see your point. However, I disagree whole heartedly with the separate record list bit. So, you have used knee sleeves? Have you ever lifted anything with them that you would not have lifted without? Maybe there are types where that would be the case. I have used york and Dino sleeves, and have never gotten a single pound over what I would have done without them. Just like Benching with wrist wraps. Never a single pound over, but it allows me to protect a joint in order to not have to spend the next month rehabbing it. Now, like I said, maybe there are some that would give you weight, and maybe that is something that needs to be researched out before a decision is made, I dont know. And if the knee sleeves thing fails I will not lose a moments sleep over it, I will just train with them, when I feel I need them, and compete without. It wont make any difference, as I will lift the same amount one way or the other, as long as I am healthy.
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Way to go Chad. I figured someone that would frolick with Al hand in hand on a beach in speedos would think enough of him to do a simple writeup.
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Interesting info, Tom. Thanks for sharing
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I'm the lyrical Jesse James

[KCSTRONGMAN]

All I can say is that the photo and caption were credited to Leslie Myers, and I cannot imagine her making that up
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

It is evident that your shame got the better of you and you removed it, but You know the pic, the one of you and Chad frolicking hand in hand on a beach in speedos.
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That was awkward…I am glad it is gone. On the IM forum, Randy Stossen was asking info on USAWA. I was going to post the link to the site, but when I saw that pic I was far too embarrassed for Al and Chad (not to mention ashamed of them) to post it. I am not over the shame and embarrassment, but at least a guy can post a link to the site now
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Email sent, but I am hoping to be there in person
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Wish I could say we would be sending a team, but I wont be ble to do some of those lifts for a few more weeks and everybody else is out of town.
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

How was vaca?
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

thanks lance
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[KCSTRONGMAN]

The day we start lifting necked is the day I bow out.
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From them I take that knee sleeves aren’t really supportive, if so why wear them?

From my experience, Mike, I would say that knee sleeves are supportive in helping protect the joint, just not in allowing you to get extra weight in a lift. Kind of like why we allow wrist wraps. Prevent injury without aiding the lifter to lift more weight than he is capable.
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